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Super Abrams, please.

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Hello.

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Yes, sir.

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This is the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.

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Yes, sir.

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We're very interested to hear about your UFO experience.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, I don't know what I can tell you.

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They haven't told everybody else about 50,000 times.

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What would you like to know first of all?

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Well, just a description of what happened right from the beginning.

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Okay.

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Well, I just finished arresting this.

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I think I left the Caribou County Courthouse, which is in Soda Springs.

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And I pulled out onto the highway, which is US 30.

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And I went east.

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And, oh, I was still within the city limits tonight.

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I observed an object in the sky, which was bright.

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And what it reminded me of at the time was a, a little bit of a shadow.

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And what it reminded me of at the time was a landing light for an aircraft.

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Yes.

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I like, I thought thinking that there was an airport right on the edge of town,

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but it was coming in at the wrong direction.

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So I proceeded on out of town.

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And about that time, it started to flash and on and off.

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And then as I got to the edge of town, it dropped.

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Went, well, not straight down, but it kind of had an angle going into the foothills.

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Yes.

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And at that time, I thought that I'd had an aircraft that was going down.

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And I'd rise in my office and Soda Springs said there was possibly an aircraft going down.

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And just as soon as I finished that transmission, there was a bright flash, like an explosion,

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which, you know, more or less confirmed that that's what I did have going down.

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So I proceeded on up with the area, which is called Wood Canyon.

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I contacted my office in Pocatello and advised them to contact the FAA and see if they had any distress signals,

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which they reported that there wasn't any.

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I contacted the Sheriff's office to call out the Sheriff's posse and the sheriff.

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Now, they sent out the sheriff.

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Well, he's a deputy sheriff at the time.

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They came up with a four-wheel drive and we proceeded on up through the area.

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Roads were kind of, snow covered, a little bit slick.

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We proceeded up to the top of the Wood Canyon area where you could get at the top and you could turn around,

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more or less, look over the whole area.

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And we figured we'd go up there and look for some kind of fire or smoke or something.

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We got to the top and didn't observe anything.

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And he said that he would continue on up the road.

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And I told him what I'd have to turn around because my car couldn't make it in the snow.

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I turned around and it had gone back, approximately, I guess it'd be about a half mile,

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three-quarters of a mile back down the road, going down a grade.

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This is all a recreational area and it's dirt type roads, you know,

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where you have one lane and it's kind of narrow.

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I was going down the grade and I observed this object behind the trees.

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The trees are the Quakey type trees, kind of thick.

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Or they stand kind of close together, kind of thick, I guess you'd say.

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And the object appeared to be behind them on the ground.

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And it just like it turned on light switch.

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And it just, you know, evidently we had to go past it the first time.

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But it wasn't lit up like it was this time.

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And it's kind of a luminous green color like these luminous key chains.

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These plastic or polypropylene key chains.

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And it's set there for a few minutes.

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And during this time I'm locking my brakes trying to get stopped, you know, it's slick.

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I got to the bottom of the hill and the object came above the trees.

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And I called one of the other officers and advised them that this object was at my location.

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And about this, well, the whole thing took, I imagine it was in its presence for pretty close to a minute.

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And during this time the object moved away from me going up the hillside.

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It wasn't wobbling, didn't make any noise, didn't hum.

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No apparent windows or seams for doors or anything.

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The object rose to the top of the hill.

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And then it's set there for a second.

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I called the officer.

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There was another officer that came up to assist.

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He'd gone up trail canyon.

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He's just on the other side of the hill.

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And I told him, I said, it's on your side or coming your way.

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And you can't miss it as big as a box car.

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Exaggeration maybe it wasn't quite as big as a box car, but it was three or four times the size of my patrol car.

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And the object moved down the side of the hill.

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It didn't lean or tilt in any way like, say, an air cast would, you know, to make a turn or bank.

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It just, you know, just moved in a steady pattern.

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It moved down into a saddle, you know, a saddle in between two hills and then went over onto the trail canyon side.

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And the deputy sheriff came down to my location.

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Together we both went down to the base of Wood Canyon Road and then went over to trail canyon.

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Said we could see where the object had gone.

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And we didn't see anything.

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Another state police officer was coming up to assist me and he was eight or nine miles away and he observed an object headed north,

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which has been in the general direction of the object we saw.

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Yes.

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The object was, well, kind of appeared to be like a football with the ends weren't so pointed like a football.

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They were kind of more or less rounded.

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Yes.

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It didn't interfere with my radio communications or anything.

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I don't know what it was.

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I know I've never seen something like that before.

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Okay. What time did you see that start?

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Well, I'm trying to recall. It had to be around midnight, maybe a little bit later.

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Okay.

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I'd have to look at my notes for a minute. It's been a while back.

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Okay.

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The color.

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What did it have? A predominant color over the whole object?

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Well, what it reminded me of, it kind of had a, it put out, or it didn't put out light, but it was lighted.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes.

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It kind of had a halo, or not a halo, I'd say.

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Just kind of like you take a diamond ring or something and kind of hold in the sunlight how it sparkles.

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Right.

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It had white spheres of light, I guess you'd say.

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Was that over the entire surface?

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Right. It was all the way around it.

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Okay.

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Did you or anyone else investigate the site where this thing would be on the ground?

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Yeah. The same night.

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We couldn't get in that close because it was pretty rough going, crawling in the trees and what have you.

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We didn't see anything where something had sat down.

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Right.

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So, today we went up there and no evidence anything had sat down, evidently just sitting there above the ground.

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We didn't have any equipment where we could measure any radiation or anything to tell if there had been something in the area that touched down.

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Okay. Did you have any unusual physical sensations while this was taken place?

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No. None whatsoever other than being scared to death.

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Have you ever seen one of these before?

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Well, I was in the service. I saw objects that, well, didn't look like this, but objects moving in the sky.

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You know, when I was in the Navy on the ship, we had one object followed our ship for considerable distance when we were down around Panama.

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And we never did find out what that was.

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Well, then you felt that you were aware of the reality of these then before you saw them?

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Yeah. I definitely believe there's something out there, but I don't know exactly what.

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Okay. Now, when you first, when you saw that flash, which you interpreted as being an aircraft in trouble, did you hear any aerial concussions at the time?

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No. None whatsoever.

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Okay. Was that flash bright enough to actually light up the sky?

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No. Just like a star, you know, I guess you could say it's like a star, you know, all of a sudden the star gets brighter.

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Right. You know, maybe some cloud in front of it or something. That was apparent, but it was quite bright.

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Okay, then do you feel that you were actually seeing this or observing this eye becoming in the same one that you saw apparently on the ground?

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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How was the weather conditions or the sky conditions at that time?

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We had clear skies, maybe a few patchy clouds. Very cold. I imagine it was below zero.

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Okay. Have you had any other strange experiences since this happened to you?

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Well, no, I haven't had any at all. But we had a lot of sightings after I saw it.

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Did the publicity seem to generate...

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Well, no. This was including myself one night, and myself and one or two other officers.

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And this was in the general vicinity of the one that we'd seen before.

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But we never did get close to that.

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Did it look weird?

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We went back up in the area. We saw the light that's moving back and forth.

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And we went back up in there and it seemed like it just turned itself off, like a light just flipped off.

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We turned around and came back out of the area and got back in the sort of spring and looked back up there.

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And it was back again flashed on and off.

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I see.

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And there's been, oh, I imagine four or five other reports of people calling into the Sheriff's office that there was objects in the sky.

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Okay, have you had quite a few calls from other organizations on this?

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No, this played other news media. It was kind of quiet for a while, and then all of a sudden some newspaper picked up on the story in Pocotello.

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And they started the ball roll, and then I tell you, everybody in the world had to call me and talk to me.

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I see.

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Salt Lake City, San Francisco local newspaper, radio, the Capitol called down wanting information.

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It about drove me crazy. U.F.O. Central in Chicago, Illinois contacted me.

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They contacted me about four or five times for that matter.

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And they put you right on the map then.

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Yeah.

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Well, sir, we sure appreciate your talking to us and hope you keep our card handy and even appreciate it.

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I've got it.

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I just hope I never see another one of them. You know, I don't know.

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You know, a lot of things run through my head when I got out. I was out of the car looking at it.

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And I thought to myself, you know, I could shoot it.

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I had all kinds of weapons with me.

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I had guns and shotguns and had a camera hanging on the door knob.

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And I never once touched anything.

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I had a feeling that, you know, I wasn't terrified or felt like this should run, that I was being in danger.